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I've been going on here about using styles, but some concrete examples are probably worthwhile as Bryan D. Wilhite has [asked on his blog](http://www.kintespace.com/rasxlog/?p=198) about what I mean by this: > why not use the built-in word processing features and layer your > semantics on top of them? Use the methods already provided for > expressing your own semantics. Method number one is styles. Method > number two is tables. This approach will work in versions of Word that > don't have XML export, and with forthcoming Word formats that have > been announced but not released and with other word processors that > save in XML such as OpenOffice.org Writer. > <http://ptsefton.com/blog/2005/08/13/more_on_microsoft_word_vs_xml_schemas> Mr Wilhite shows how he uses his clean XTHML tool to write his blog in Word 2003, and wonders whether I use tables where he uses XML elements mixed in with Word's markup. The answer is no. I don't use tables. I [use styles](http://ptsefton.com/blog/2005/03/02/use_styles). First of all, there's one area we have in common. A paragraph is a paragraph. In his screenshot it appears that Bryan has used Word's built in structure to represent paragraphs. It looks like links are handled in a similar way – using Word's built-in hyperlinking function. Again, when I am producing a blog entry that's what I do too (only I am using OpenOffice.org Writer, not Word). Where we differ is in the use of inline elements like `acronym`. (In the spirit of Bryan Whilite's self-referential post I have added the style names I used to write this post to the rest of the paragraphs). `{p}` So, to answer Bryan Wilhite's questions of me: `{p}` - For the example you have given I would not resort to tables, but would use the in-build word processor structures for paragraphs, links and images. In your example I'd use a style like 'p' for every paragraph and then have the back-end code turn that into an XTHML `` . `{li1b}` For the inline elements, such as acronym I'd use a character style. In the ICE system, we use character styles based on XHTML element names so you would mark XML with the character-style `i-acronym`. (For a list of the styles we use see [my word processing site](http://trac.officecontent.net/wiki/WpInteropStyles)). `{li1p}` Where I would use tables would be in a case like a sidebar or in the educational context, a reading or an activity. Say I want to put in an activity, I would use a table with two cells in one column. The top cell would contain a paragraph in style `h-activity`, and the bottom cell would contain the activity itself, a mixture of text and graphics. The back-end processing system would recognize that it's dealing with an activity and could treat it specially, probably by throwing away the table code and putting the activity into a iv `class='activity'>`. - I don't think much about the Word XML task pane, I have never used Word's XML features in the way that you're using them, because as [noted before here](http://ptsefton.com/blog/2005/08/13/more_on_microsoft_word_vs_xml_schemas) I think they are a bad idea for writing documents. `{li1b}` - It's a bit tricky to answer Bryan's final question about what's wrong with the system he's built. I think it is solving a problem that I don't have. I wouldn't like to try to roll it out to authors here are the university because: `{li1b}` 1. It uses Word 2003, which means it locks out Mac and Linux users and probably working from home for many people. `{li2n}` 2. It uses WordProcessingML which is about to become obsolete and code that runs in Word that I would not like to try to run in a server environment. `{li2n}` 3. It requires users to deal with new interface elements like the XML task pane. `{li2n}` 4. We have [our own way of making XHTML](http://ice.usq.edu.au/) which uses styles to do most of the heavy lifting, and can create course-packages for upload to a Learning Management System. `{li2n}` So Bryan Wilhite, I have a question for you. Would you be interested in exploring with me whether we can get your clean XHTML system to use styles to produce its output? `{p}` ****