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	<title>Comments on: Wanted: someone to actively sell open repository solutions in Australia</title>
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		<title>By: David Groenewegen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Groenewegen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of comments:

1. The trouble with a central repository, tempting as it is, is the issue of ongoing funding. Who pays for it? Where does it &quot;live&quot;? Who is responsible for it? In my experience the government have been willing to seed repositories, but don&#039;t want permanent responsibility.

2. On the other hand, I think the government would be quite happy if more institutions got together and ran shared services, rather than everybody having their own repository. So there are some legs in Peter&#039;s latter suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of comments:</p>
<p>1. The trouble with a central repository, tempting as it is, is the issue of ongoing funding. Who pays for it? Where does it &#8220;live&#8221;? Who is responsible for it? In my experience the government have been willing to seed repositories, but don&#8217;t want permanent responsibility.</p>
<p>2. On the other hand, I think the government would be quite happy if more institutions got together and ran shared services, rather than everybody having their own repository. So there are some legs in Peter&#8217;s latter suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: ptsefton</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptsefton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@amberyn, @bernadette &amp; @alison

I am wondering if two things might happen:

1. Unis keep the local management part of their repository but let the outward facing OA stuff go and direct people to search in something like the NLA&#039;s system or Google Scholar, as harvested from the discovery service.
2. Consortia might emerge where Unis share an IR, harmonize their metadata and their processes - this might be attractive to very small institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@amberyn, @bernadette &#038; @alison</p>
<p>I am wondering if two things might happen:</p>
<p>1. Unis keep the local management part of their repository but let the outward facing OA stuff go and direct people to search in something like the NLA&#8217;s system or Google Scholar, as harvested from the discovery service.<br />
2. Consortia might emerge where Unis share an IR, harmonize their metadata and their processes &#8211; this might be attractive to very small institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael@UOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael@UOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting, but an obvious omission is precise identification of the systems currently in use and their specific failings. Whilst this blog does not need to be a &#039;shame file&#039; or &#039;rat-hole&#039;, it would be helpful if it - or some similar Australian site - gave unveiled critical comment. I use Digital Commons and am pretty happy with it, but I am also always on the lookout for something that is working better. I really do not know how all of the other systems are performing, both in regards to the basic issues of archiving and exposing research output, but also in dealing with the new kids on the block, namely ERA, images, connectivity with HERDC etc etc. I don&#039;t think we need to pussy foot around in thise regard, and it would be helpful if we all talked openly on such matters. So thanks for your musings Peta - they are stimulating as ever, and that&#039;sthe point isn&#039;t it? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting, but an obvious omission is precise identification of the systems currently in use and their specific failings. Whilst this blog does not need to be a &#8217;shame file&#8217; or &#8216;rat-hole&#8217;, it would be helpful if it &#8211; or some similar Australian site &#8211; gave unveiled critical comment. I use Digital Commons and am pretty happy with it, but I am also always on the lookout for something that is working better. I really do not know how all of the other systems are performing, both in regards to the basic issues of archiving and exposing research output, but also in dealing with the new kids on the block, namely ERA, images, connectivity with HERDC etc etc. I don&#8217;t think we need to pussy foot around in thise regard, and it would be helpful if we all talked openly on such matters. So thanks for your musings Peta &#8211; they are stimulating as ever, and that&#8217;sthe point isn&#8217;t it? <img src='http://ptsefton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alison Dellit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Dellit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Access, preservation and user-friendly workflows could be more easily facilitated through a single Australian repository than through dozens of seperate repositories, I think. And there are instiutions which could host such a thing, whatever governance arrangements it would have. If it could go along with a centralised system for identifying researchers and grouping their work in sensible ways, it would be awesome.

I think the hard thing is that some repositories are now being used to meet very specific university-based needs - particularly reporting, but also around data. A centralised repository would make them less available as university management/reporting tools, as a long list of specific local requirements would get harder and harder to manage.

I don&#039;t think it is a bad direction for repositories to become less about internal university needs, but some of the support from university managements seems to stem from their use as such.

But I&#039;m not in the sector, so may not know what I am talking about :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Access, preservation and user-friendly workflows could be more easily facilitated through a single Australian repository than through dozens of seperate repositories, I think. And there are instiutions which could host such a thing, whatever governance arrangements it would have. If it could go along with a centralised system for identifying researchers and grouping their work in sensible ways, it would be awesome.</p>
<p>I think the hard thing is that some repositories are now being used to meet very specific university-based needs &#8211; particularly reporting, but also around data. A centralised repository would make them less available as university management/reporting tools, as a long list of specific local requirements would get harder and harder to manage.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is a bad direction for repositories to become less about internal university needs, but some of the support from university managements seems to stem from their use as such.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not in the sector, so may not know what I am talking about <img src='http://ptsefton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bernadette Houghton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernadette Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great points in this post and responses. Amberyn&#039;s comment about Oz repositories containing a lot of wasteful duplication is so true, and I like the idea of a single repository used by the Oz unis. It would need to accommodate more than just research publications - theses and photo collections, for e.g. - if it was to be widely accepted. Plus I can envisage some concerns about security issues, particularly if storage was central. Oz universities already have a good history of collaboration, so they&#039;re in a good starting place.

Concurring also with the frustration of getting even simple changes made to a commercial ILMS. Happily, on the repo end, we&#039;re a Fez library, like Pete, and appreciate the flexibility of being able to make changes to the software as the need arises. It is so easy, that we are always trying to resist the tempation to make changes that are specific to ourselves, and hence going off on a tangent from the main Fez trunk. As for the support, UQ provides a great deal of informal support, but this isn&#039;t something we should be relying on for the long term. Apart from UQ, I believe there is already a commercial firm called Catalyst which offers Fez support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great points in this post and responses. Amberyn&#8217;s comment about Oz repositories containing a lot of wasteful duplication is so true, and I like the idea of a single repository used by the Oz unis. It would need to accommodate more than just research publications &#8211; theses and photo collections, for e.g. &#8211; if it was to be widely accepted. Plus I can envisage some concerns about security issues, particularly if storage was central. Oz universities already have a good history of collaboration, so they&#8217;re in a good starting place.</p>
<p>Concurring also with the frustration of getting even simple changes made to a commercial ILMS. Happily, on the repo end, we&#8217;re a Fez library, like Pete, and appreciate the flexibility of being able to make changes to the software as the need arises. It is so easy, that we are always trying to resist the tempation to make changes that are specific to ourselves, and hence going off on a tangent from the main Fez trunk. As for the support, UQ provides a great deal of informal support, but this isn&#8217;t something we should be relying on for the long term. Apart from UQ, I believe there is already a commercial firm called Catalyst which offers Fez support.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete@CDU</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete@CDU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add some of my reflections and opinions* on this from a Fez perspective.  We initially did pay for support from UQ and received very good start-up support.  However as things evolved we didn&#039;t really need to have a formal support arrangement - so model 2 worked here - except working on repositories has really become more of an informal partnership between Fez unis where we collaborate and help each other out primarily through a web based chat service.  I&#039;m sure UQ are willing to offer support but there are some business models realities here.  But also I&#039;m sure they&#039;d been interested in assisting a commercial repository service in some ways more then doing this directly.

From the outside things could be better - such as pulling together wiki documentation into a nicer framework, regular release cycles, better support on mailing lists.  Things would be different if Fez had a larger Australia Uni based though.  Also UQ are UQ focused with developing the s/w primarily for their purposes - which is only natural plus they innovate way too fast ;) - soem recent things include researcherID profiles and citation counts/cited by linking with Thomson, Scopus and Google Scholar.

I have some issues with LAMP software bundles but building on top of Fedora Commons is very forgiving and brings the best of web 2.0 innovation and software reliability together nicely.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t take Fez out of the mix.  One day I&#039;d like to see Fez evolve past being a LAMP bundle...

I&#039;d love to collaborate to establish Fez migration pathways and in a way already have by adding CNRI Handle functionality to Fez.

And I highly rate Kettle/PDI for ETL (with ERA in mind) although this is a temp situation for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add some of my reflections and opinions* on this from a Fez perspective.  We initially did pay for support from UQ and received very good start-up support.  However as things evolved we didn&#8217;t really need to have a formal support arrangement &#8211; so model 2 worked here &#8211; except working on repositories has really become more of an informal partnership between Fez unis where we collaborate and help each other out primarily through a web based chat service.  I&#8217;m sure UQ are willing to offer support but there are some business models realities here.  But also I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d been interested in assisting a commercial repository service in some ways more then doing this directly.</p>
<p>From the outside things could be better &#8211; such as pulling together wiki documentation into a nicer framework, regular release cycles, better support on mailing lists.  Things would be different if Fez had a larger Australia Uni based though.  Also UQ are UQ focused with developing the s/w primarily for their purposes &#8211; which is only natural plus they innovate way too fast <img src='http://ptsefton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; soem recent things include researcherID profiles and citation counts/cited by linking with Thomson, Scopus and Google Scholar.</p>
<p>I have some issues with LAMP software bundles but building on top of Fedora Commons is very forgiving and brings the best of web 2.0 innovation and software reliability together nicely.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t take Fez out of the mix.  One day I&#8217;d like to see Fez evolve past being a LAMP bundle&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to collaborate to establish Fez migration pathways and in a way already have by adding CNRI Handle functionality to Fez.</p>
<p>And I highly rate Kettle/PDI for ETL (with ERA in mind) although this is a temp situation for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Amberyn.</description>
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		<title>By: Amberyn Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amberyn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My impressions after reading this, and after reflecting upon the implications of the ERA requirements, are that we should seriously consider moving towards a single, integrated national repository. With the high mobility of researchers and the level of collaborative publications, it strikes me that after some years there will be significant duplication of effort with individual publications  located within multiple repositories. This is a waste of time, money and effort. With technologies like Shibboleth and Fedora a national repository service is possible. A national repository supported by ARC, ANDS, CAIRSS and NHMRC would satisfy the government&#039;s Open Access agenda, as well as allow for the simplification of ERA submissions and could also be used to supplement ARC and NHMRC grant proposal submissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My impressions after reading this, and after reflecting upon the implications of the ERA requirements, are that we should seriously consider moving towards a single, integrated national repository. With the high mobility of researchers and the level of collaborative publications, it strikes me that after some years there will be significant duplication of effort with individual publications  located within multiple repositories. This is a waste of time, money and effort. With technologies like Shibboleth and Fedora a national repository service is possible. A national repository supported by ARC, ANDS, CAIRSS and NHMRC would satisfy the government&#8217;s Open Access agenda, as well as allow for the simplification of ERA submissions and could also be used to supplement ARC and NHMRC grant proposal submissions.</p>
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		<title>By: ptsefton</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptsefton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric - thanks, I fixed that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric &#8211; thanks, I fixed that</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hornsby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hornsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter
You&#039;re missing the second s in your url for the CAIRSS link in paragraph 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter<br />
You&#8217;re missing the second s in your url for the CAIRSS link in paragraph 1.</p>
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