Comments on: Deflation in repository clicks http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm "As noble thoughts the inward being grace, So noble whiskers dignify the face." Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:11:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: PT’s blog » Blog Archive » More on negative click or net benefit repositories http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1903 PT’s blog » Blog Archive » More on negative click or net benefit repositories Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:03:35 +0000 http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1903 [...] PT’s blog Why can’t word processors make decent HTML? « Deflation in repository clicks [...] […] PT’s blog Why can’t word processors make decent HTML? « Deflation in repository clicks […]

]]> By: Ben O'Steen http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1901 Ben O'Steen Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:49:14 +0000 http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1901 Great post - this is definitely the direction we need to head. In fact, I'd like to see the day that when someone says 'repository software', they are referring to the plugin they add to their document editing tool. Great post - this is definitely the direction we need to head. In fact, I’d like to see the day that when someone says ‘repository software’, they are referring to the plugin they add to their document editing tool.

]]> By: Unilever Centre for Molecular Informatics, Cambridge - petermr’s blog » Blog Archive » ICE-TheOREm - Authoring theses has never been easier http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1900 Unilever Centre for Molecular Informatics, Cambridge - petermr’s blog » Blog Archive » ICE-TheOREm - Authoring theses has never been easier Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:05:28 +0000 http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1900 [...] Deflation in repository clicks At Open Repositories 20008 a group of us Australian developers entered in the Repositories Challenge, with an entry entitled Zero Click Ingest [1]⁠. The introduction puts it like this: This micro-project demonstrates a way to eliminate the repository deposit step altogether, by having the repository software take responsibility for collecting the content that it needs. It involves using the Integrated Content Environment1 (Sefton 2006)[2]⁠ (ICE) as a document authoring system, but the principle could be applied to other content management systems which support metadata or category-aware ATOM or RSS feeds, with the ability to supply the requisite formats. We show how documents created and managed in ICE can be automatically ingested into a repository at the appropriate time, based on document state.[...] In TheOREM we’re going to set up ICE as a ‘Thesis Management System’ where a candidate can work on a thesis which is a true mashup of data and document aka a datument [3]⁠. When it’s done and the candidate is rubber-stamped with a big PhD, the Thesis management system will flag that, and the thesis will flow off to the relevant IR and subject repositories, as a fully-fledged part of the semantic web, thanks the embedded semantics and links to data.[...] At USQ, the Integrated Content Environment is on the way to becoming a ‘core’ system for producing courseware. It has been available for a few years under an open source license… But at USQ, where we are reaffirming our commitment to flexible delivery – we call it Fleximode – staff know they have to create resources that suit on-campus, web and print use. ICE helps with that, so it has grown organically from our first user to a couple of hundred because overall it makes life easier. Learning ICE is not trivial, you have to do some training, you have to change the way you work, and the organization needs to supply support. If you do use it, though, there’s a net benefit…. This is one reason why TheOREM is so exciting; not that it’s going to look at ORE but that it will be a first step to providing tools for PhD candidates and their supervisors that I hope will be the envy of others, just as Shirley Reushle used the first version of ICE to make an online course that met the USQ standards and her colleagues saw it and wanted to do the same. [...] […] Deflation in repository clicks At Open Repositories 20008 a group of us Australian developers entered in the Repositories Challenge, with an entry entitled Zero Click Ingest [1]⁠. The introduction puts it like this: This micro-project demonstrates a way to eliminate the repository deposit step altogether, by having the repository software take responsibility for collecting the content that it needs. It involves using the Integrated Content Environment1 (Sefton 2006)[2]⁠ (ICE) as a document authoring system, but the principle could be applied to other content management systems which support metadata or category-aware ATOM or RSS feeds, with the ability to supply the requisite formats. We show how documents created and managed in ICE can be automatically ingested into a repository at the appropriate time, based on document state.[…] In TheOREM we’re going to set up ICE as a ‘Thesis Management System’ where a candidate can work on a thesis which is a true mashup of data and document aka a datument [3]⁠. When it’s done and the candidate is rubber-stamped with a big PhD, the Thesis management system will flag that, and the thesis will flow off to the relevant IR and subject repositories, as a fully-fledged part of the semantic web, thanks the embedded semantics and links to data.[…] At USQ, the Integrated Content Environment is on the way to becoming a ‘core’ system for producing courseware. It has been available for a few years under an open source license… But at USQ, where we are reaffirming our commitment to flexible delivery – we call it Fleximode – staff know they have to create resources that suit on-campus, web and print use. ICE helps with that, so it has grown organically from our first user to a couple of hundred because overall it makes life easier. Learning ICE is not trivial, you have to do some training, you have to change the way you work, and the organization needs to supply support. If you do use it, though, there’s a net benefit…. This is one reason why TheOREM is so exciting; not that it’s going to look at ORE but that it will be a first step to providing tools for PhD candidates and their supervisors that I hope will be the envy of others, just as Shirley Reushle used the first version of ICE to make an online course that met the USQ standards and her colleagues saw it and wanted to do the same. […]

]]> By: Chris Rusbridge http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1899 Chris Rusbridge Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:31:45 +0000 http://ptsefton.com/2008/06/11/deflation-in-repository-clicks.htm#comment-1899 Pete, in my thinking I suspect ICE would qualify as a negative click authoring system for its target audience, since by investing in that training and using it you get more outcomes for less overall work. So I do think we need to change user (author.scholar/depositor) behaviour, but we shouldn't assume they will change just because we say it's good for them (the evangelistic approach). We should help them change because it manifestly IS good for them; they do less work (negative clicks) for a better result. So I suspect we're in furious agreement here... Pete, in my thinking I suspect ICE would qualify as a negative click authoring system for its target audience, since by investing in that training and using it you get more outcomes for less overall work. So I do think we need to change user (author.scholar/depositor) behaviour, but we shouldn’t assume they will change just because we say it’s good for them (the evangelistic approach). We should help them change because it manifestly IS good for them; they do less work (negative clicks) for a better result.

So I suspect we’re in furious agreement here…

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